IPEC and Creative Commons licences
Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 1:06 pm
Hi everyone
Our small UK educational charity is yet another victim of Pixsy Inc.. Standard story: allegation of copyright infringement due to no attribution of a photo taken from Wikimedia Commons, available under a Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 licence. Photo taken down immediately on notification. Usual back-and-forth by email including a counter offer that has been rejected. This forum has been incredibly useful in our negotiations with Pixsy. Thanks so much to everyone!
But we've now reached the stage where their next move is likely to be the threat to escalate to an attorney. The original demand for just under £500 has been reduced by 25% but no further. I appreciate that it is the copyright owner who is the Claimant in any court proceedings, not Pixsy, despite their misleading threats. Before I commit to a reply that might trigger that course of action, which will of course make it very clear that I know the legal position and will defend vigorously, may I check a couple of things with those who know far more than me?
Pixsy, though they don't say so explicitly in their threatening letters, presumably base their allegation on Sections 4(a) and 4(c) of the licence (the requirements to attribute with the URL of the licence and the name of the photographer), and, crucially, Section 7(a), that the licence and rights terminate automatically on breach. They effectively argue in their emails that 7(a) applies from the date when the image was published on our website. They therefore "offer", as the photographer's agent, a retrospective licence provided by Pixsy.
I appreciate that the IPEC Small Claims track does not publish its rulings, but to anyone's knowledge, has this legal argument, particularly the timing of the alleged breach if it was unintentional and accidental and not deliberate, ever been tested in court? In other words, could we argue that the breach occurred on notification by Pixsy, not on publication?
Secondly, has the court ever commented or ruled on Pixsy's threatening and misleading letters or on similar exploitation of this well-known loophole in CC licences? Are there other cases like Media CAT Ltd v Adams & Ors [2011] where the court has indicated its displeasure at such threats by similar companies? Given that Pixsy is not the Claimant, is it difficult to introduce Pixsy's misleading and threatening letters and behaviour in evidence for the defence?
Finally, can anyone confirm that failure to attribute is not a copyright infringement, subject to strict liability, but a matter of moral rights? I'm unclear too on what the limits are, if any, on how much the IPEC Small Claims court can award with regard to moral rights and what viable defences might be, such as evidence of little traffic to the website thus limited loss of recognition has occurred - can anyone help please?
Sorry, that ended up being more questions than I'd intended. Thanks again to everyone who has shared their knowledge and experience.
Our small UK educational charity is yet another victim of Pixsy Inc.. Standard story: allegation of copyright infringement due to no attribution of a photo taken from Wikimedia Commons, available under a Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 licence. Photo taken down immediately on notification. Usual back-and-forth by email including a counter offer that has been rejected. This forum has been incredibly useful in our negotiations with Pixsy. Thanks so much to everyone!
But we've now reached the stage where their next move is likely to be the threat to escalate to an attorney. The original demand for just under £500 has been reduced by 25% but no further. I appreciate that it is the copyright owner who is the Claimant in any court proceedings, not Pixsy, despite their misleading threats. Before I commit to a reply that might trigger that course of action, which will of course make it very clear that I know the legal position and will defend vigorously, may I check a couple of things with those who know far more than me?
Pixsy, though they don't say so explicitly in their threatening letters, presumably base their allegation on Sections 4(a) and 4(c) of the licence (the requirements to attribute with the URL of the licence and the name of the photographer), and, crucially, Section 7(a), that the licence and rights terminate automatically on breach. They effectively argue in their emails that 7(a) applies from the date when the image was published on our website. They therefore "offer", as the photographer's agent, a retrospective licence provided by Pixsy.
I appreciate that the IPEC Small Claims track does not publish its rulings, but to anyone's knowledge, has this legal argument, particularly the timing of the alleged breach if it was unintentional and accidental and not deliberate, ever been tested in court? In other words, could we argue that the breach occurred on notification by Pixsy, not on publication?
Secondly, has the court ever commented or ruled on Pixsy's threatening and misleading letters or on similar exploitation of this well-known loophole in CC licences? Are there other cases like Media CAT Ltd v Adams & Ors [2011] where the court has indicated its displeasure at such threats by similar companies? Given that Pixsy is not the Claimant, is it difficult to introduce Pixsy's misleading and threatening letters and behaviour in evidence for the defence?
Finally, can anyone confirm that failure to attribute is not a copyright infringement, subject to strict liability, but a matter of moral rights? I'm unclear too on what the limits are, if any, on how much the IPEC Small Claims court can award with regard to moral rights and what viable defences might be, such as evidence of little traffic to the website thus limited loss of recognition has occurred - can anyone help please?
Sorry, that ended up being more questions than I'd intended. Thanks again to everyone who has shared their knowledge and experience.